BigAl wrote:But by that stage there will be no United Kingdom

Scots and the Welsh will become separate entities and join the EU. Just as Southern Ireland have and there is the possibility of the north joining the south to remain in the EU.
England will continue its downward slide and become a haven for Muslims and others. Let's be honest, English are a minority already in most of the major cities and towns,

, do you really think they will all leave and stop claiming whatever they can just because the country is not in the EU ?.
I am not saying I like what is happening or what is going to happen in the future whether the UK is in the EU or not but I am trying to rationalise things from the " big picture " rather than from the prospective the people are being fed in the UK. It could happen this way.
Personally I would like the UK to remain in and continue with the changes that are being sought rather than see the country continue on its downward spiral. Yes things are happening with refugees and other problems that most Brits are not aware of but it will improve even if it has to get worse before it gets better.
But then again this is only my opinion. The truth remains to be seen.
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Oh Dear Al, you are so out of touch with reality.
Not one country who is part of the UK is wealthy enough to join the EEC as a standalone country and take on the Euro, which is what they would have to do because the Pound is the GB Pound.
Southern Ireland doesn't come into the equasion, as they were not part of the UK when we joined the EEC.
England will not continue its "downward spiral" as you call it, by continuing to take in more muslims etc as you claim, because we will have NO ONE telling us we have to share the influx of millions, like the rest of the EEC countries.
Our borders can remain closed to undesireables, as our own government will be making the laws, which cannot be over ruled by your firends in Brussels.
I would love to know how you can see things getting better in mainland Europe, when they continue to let in millions of refugees, who are assaulting western people, and you accept that it ok until its starts to get better. It will not get better.... The muslims will STILL maintain that the woman is a second class citizen, who should be seen and not heard, and covered from head to toes when they go out.
When their Imam said that the girls who were raped in Germany and Sweden, were asking for it because they wore skimpy tclothing and WORE PERFUME.
They want a better life in Europe, but still want to do things their way, and will NEVER conform to the western way of life.
Wake up and smell the coffee before it is too late.
Your friend Frau Merkel is going to end up bankrupting some of the poorer member countries with her debt consolidation plans, and some will be forced to leave the Euro and go back to their own currencies.
Is this your idea of things getting better?
The EEC is in a deep crisis, and allowing all these millions of migrants in, with a totally different culture, is doomed to failure.
Once again, the auditors have failed to sign off the books, and you all find this acceptable?
Give me a break!
No business in the EEC (well certainly in the UK) would be allowed to get away with this, they would be hauled before the courts and given a massive fine for none compliance with the law, but you find it acceptable. Why?
The EEC has grown too big in its quest to be a super power.
It is doomed.
I suspect that you will be like the rest of the ex-pats who live in Europe, who will come scurrying home to the safe haven of the UK when all the 20 million Turks get their free passes into Europe in a few years time.
I was right in my predictions when I argued with your ideas 6 months ago, and things have only got worse.
You said the borders were being dismantled even then, but more and more have been installed.
As soon as the weather gets warmer, the migrants will start swarming into the Greek Islands again by boat. The EEC has threatened to move the Schengen border so that Greece is on the outside of Europe if they don't tighten their borders.
The EEC should be sending some help to the Greek Islands to assist in returning the refugees, but instead Frau Merkel thinks its a better idea to give Turkey millions of Euros and the offer of a visa, if they try to curb the influx.
Is that how you are supposed to look after each member state?
Watch some proper, independent news channels Al, and see what the world REALLY thinks of how Europe is being controlled by the freaks in power.
I had to have a good rant today, as I am going on holiday now , and I thought I would give you something to think about whilst I am away !!
Nice day.... Have one!!