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Postby Westmorland » Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:17 pm

I was in the service station on Sherwood Street today making a purchase when I overheard what appeared to be the owner/Manager talking to a sales rep and she said
'things like that wouldn't really sell well here in the Village'

So what do people think, do we live in a Village or a Town? I know people who have moved this way from London and the South refer to Warsop as a Village, but I don't think it is a village.
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Re: Town or Village

Postby Caz » Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:30 pm

We have a Town Hall as opposed to a Village Hall, but a Parish Council as opposed to a Town Council. We've been called a Market Town because we have a market, though we haven't always had one in recent years. There are no rules of definition for town v's village, so I think it's whatever you want to call it.

A city, on the other hand, is defined as a settlement with a cathedral. So Southwell must be a city, even though it has a smaller population than Warsop.
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Re: Town or Village

Postby Westmorland » Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:20 pm

Southwell does not have a Cathedral it is like Beverley and York it has a Minister so its not a city
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Postby Caz » Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:11 pm

It's always been my understanding that the Minster does have Cathedral status because it's the seat of a Bishop.

I'm no expert and this is just my own musing. I know Southwell isn't a city but one definition of a city is that it has a Cathedral, but I suppose that would actually mean Nottingham isn't a city. :?

Maybe this should be in the debates section!!!
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Postby Westmorland » Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:20 pm

Nottingham does have a Cathedral, St Barnabas's R.C Cathedral on Derby Road

Not all cities have Cathedrals for example Stoke
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Postby Caz » Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:00 pm

Oh yes, of course Nottingham has St Barnabas's Cathedral and very beautiful it is too. My nephew got married there three years ago. Old age creeping up methinks! :roll:

I know not all cities have a Cathedral, some get city status by charter, as per the three Diamond Jubilee cities and I'm by no means an expert on this but I just happen to know that Stoke City was originally six towns - that was a pub quiz question that I got wrong! :lol:

So, what about Southwell then? Is the Minster a cathedral?
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Re: Town or Village

Postby Caz » Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:15 pm

Adrian Hardy wrote:Southwell does not have a Cathedral it is like Beverley and York it has a Minister so its not a city


If in doubt, Google it! :lol: According to the Southwell Minster website, it is a Cathedral. Southwell Minster became the Cathedral Church of the Diocese in 1884. http://www.southwellminster.org/
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Postby Westmorland » Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:41 pm

Then why not call it Southwell Cathedral then :?

According to wikipedia which i Googled :lol:

As the site of an Anglican cathedral, the town is sometimes considered to be a city, and was treated as such in the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica. However, its city status is not recognised by the government. Southwell has an active Town Council.[5]
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Postby Caz » Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:51 pm

Oooh, I've opened a can of worms now Adrian. :oops:

Here's a quote from Wiki - This is a list of cities in the United Kingdom. Cathedrals were the grounds for the granting of city status in the case of cities recognised prior to 1888, i.e. cathedrals of the Church of England. Certain cities also have Roman Catholic cathedrals, but these are not listed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_the_United_Kingdom

RC Cathedrals didn't count towards city status and Nottingham has only had city status since 1897, which was granted by Charter. The granting of city status due to the presence of a Cathedral stopped in 1888. Southwell Minster became a Cathedral in 1884, yet it's not on that Wiki list of cities. So, is it a city? Southwell is listed as a Cathedral City here. http://www.cathedralcityguide.co.uk/map/

What determines whether a settlement is a city, town or a village? It seems these days, somebody just has to put the idea forward to the monarchy with regard to cities. As for towns and villages, who knows? I haven't found anything that says what the criteria is for either. We tend to think of towns as being bigger than villages, but that's not always the case either. The more I look into this, the more confused I get. I need a lie down! :lol:
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Re: Town or Village

Postby Caz » Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:00 pm

Adrian Hardy wrote:Then why not call it Southwell Cathedral then :?


Googled - A Minster is a teaching church. A Cathedral is the seat of a Bishop. A Minster can als be a Cathedral as well. York Minster, like Southwell Minster, is also a Cathedral.

Adrian Hardy wrote:According to wikipedia which i Googled :lol:

As the site of an Anglican cathedral, the town is sometimes considered to be a city, and was treated as such in the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica. However, its city status is not recognised by the government. Southwell has an active Town Council.[5]
So, we have the politicians to blame for the confusion!!! :lol:
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Re: Town or Village

Postby BigAl » Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:43 am

Warsop will be a proper town one day when all the building work is completed and its joined to Woodhouse :D :D Not looking forward to it though, :) I much prefer all the villages staying as they are, Meden vale, Church Warsop, Cuckney etc etc ;) ;)
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Re: Town or Village

Postby Caz » Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:16 am

I don't think I want it to be a town. I'd rather it be a village, though I'm still not sure what it is.

The ancient definition says, a hamlet is small settlement, a settlement with a church is a village, a settlement with a chruch and a regular market is a town, a settlement with a cathedral is a city. That no longer applies though as it seems the classification is down to governing administration.
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Re: Town or Village

Postby moanersRus » Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:42 pm

Suthell has the southwell city football club!!! lmao
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Re: Town or Village

Postby Tomas Drouty » Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:54 pm

I think they should apply a very simple formula for deciding upon city status: Population figures. That would apply a level benchmark to any conurbation as opposed to basing it on geographical size which could vary significantly or whether it has specific buildings or not.

The debate would then be on how many people to set the benchmark levels - of course there will be variation year on year or even month to month so therefore figures should be based on the census.

The downside would be for borderline conurbations who could end up being classified as village, then town, then back to village again - but if based on the census this would only happen every ten years.
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Re: Town or Village

Postby moanersRus » Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:29 pm

A town is a human settlement larger than a village but smaller than a city

from wikipedia NO POOP!!! lmao

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